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Tuesday August 05 01:22:31 2003
Re: Latest on titles
Brian R wrote:

> Many are minor inconsistencies
> Amazing Spider-Man, The (1978)
> A-Team

Thanx, some are tricky to spot huh?
Sorted these and a few others, soon we'll have all same as IMDB.
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 02:16:27 2003
Episodes
I've pretty much finished the Episode extractor. I don't plan to do much with the episode information, because I don't think people really search on it very much. I won't be bothering with extracting AKAs or any of that.

I ran through the output, mostly looking for parse problems. It's pretty clean. I'll discuss some of the things that I noticed in separate messages.

http://brianspage.com/dbedit/episodes.html

Brian R
Tuesday August 05 02:17:58 2003
Soap Operas Episodes
The episode information for Soaps is pretty bad, people aren't using any kind of consistent style. You can check doing a search for the word "episode" in Description with Medium set to "Soap Opera" (do a Match All Fields search of course).

The information isn't even consistently located at the start of the Description and most don't even trigger the tool so they are ignored.

Examples:
Description: Episode made in early 2001.
Description: Episode -- originally aired 3/22/2002
Description: Episode ran on Feb 28, 2002.
Description: Episodes aired from late July through early August 1979:
Description: Handgagged again. This time in the forest while fleeing two crap actors. Episode screened November 21, 2001 in Australia.
Description: Episode 11/06/01
Description: Episode -- August 17, 2001
Description: Episode shown on 12 March 2001
Description: Around Episode 50:


This one made the tool go, but the output was not what we want:

All my Children
Greenlee (Rebecca) has been taken captive . . .

That's because it looks like:

Record #3282
Title: All my Children
Medium: Soap Opera
Actress: Rebecca Budig
Description: Oct.11,2000 episode: Greenlee (Rebecca) has been taken captive . . .


Some parsed ok:

Dark Shadows (1966)
"118" to "127"
Days of Our Lives
"October 8, 2002"
Bold and The Beautiful, The
"3498"

The Soap "Prisoner" has episode info, but even so it's rather inconsistent:

Number 652
Number 658
"Number 669"
"Number 660"

Brian R
Tuesday August 05 02:19:57 2003
Episode Notes
Here are some other things that caught my eye. I don't really care about any of it, it's not a problem for the tool. Just things for you who have been doing the Episode information to look at.

I wasn't looking that carefully, and many of these are representative of general conditions. Up to you guys whether to do anything with them or not.


Airwolf
"Flowers of the Mountains" (1.11)? or "Mime Troupe" (1.15)?

If unsure, shouldn't it be "unknown"?


Crazy Like a Fox
"Bum Tip" (?)

Is the (?) here unsure of episode name or showing missing ep number?


Ancient Prophecies
Part 1

Is this the actual episode name? If so, should be in ""?


Baron, The
"Storm Warning, Part 1"
"The Island", Part 2

Inconsistent where the Part designator goes.


Batman Beyond (1999)
"Rebirth" Part 1 (1.1)

Comma, no comma for Parts?


Bedtime Stories
11, aka "Truth or Dare"

Wouldn't "Truth or Dare" (11) be more in line with others?


Cagney and Lacey
37 "Heat."

More inconsistency.


Charmer, The
? (1.1)

Unsure of episode?



Clutch Cargo
119
"120"

Cop Shop
500

Are these numbers actual episode names?


Daylight Robbery (1999)
8 of 8

Parts? Title?


Freedom
"Assassins" (Originally Aired 11/10/2000)

Generally don't have notes in episode line.


George Gobel Show
Aired Oct 9 1954

That's not an episode name.


Muppet Show, The
"Guest, Lynn Redgrave" (3.23)
(5.7)

Is that first a real episode name? If made up, second should be "Guest, Glenda Jackson".


Mysterious Ways
"Muti" (2.20) (??)

Two ?? means different?


NeverWhere (1996)
5 & 6

Episode name, two ep numbers?


Red Shoe Diaries
"Caged Bird"
29, "The Cake"

Why no number for first? Why not aka on the second like most others?


Something is Out There
Pilot

Is it actually called "Pilot"? Many are.


Spellbinder
"7"
Spellbinder (1995)
"24"
"25"
"26"

A title note, two different titles for same show.


Thrills
"Beauty and the Beach" (1.1)
2

If the first has real ep info, shouldn't second?


Vacances De L'amour, Les (1996)
82 aka "Passion Dangereuse"

No comma.


Brian R
Tuesday August 05 02:34:53 2003
Re: Episode Notes
Brian R wrote:
>
> Batman Beyond (1999)
> "Rebirth" Part 1 (1.1)
>
> Comma, no comma for Parts?
>

It looks better to me without one if "Part 1" is outside the quotation marks as above ... but I'd include a comma if we're going with an inclusive format (i.e., "Rebirth, Part 1").
Biff
Tuesday August 05 03:04:00 2003
Re: Soap Operas Episodes
Brian R wrote:

> The episode information for Soaps is pretty bad, people
> aren't using any kind of consistent style.

Well they don't use any consistent style in any of the entries, but at least with Movies & TV we can search up their air-scheds etc, to sort them.

Soap entries are a bugger to sort, so if you have a plan?
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 13:55:28 2003
Re: Brian R Post - Recent Entry Questions?
Brian you've asked alot of questions that admit don't have the answers for, but I'll take a crack at sorting.
Noticed afew that threw off your tool were in recent ones, last 30 actually, so what figure?

Record number: 8952

Title: Renegade (1992)
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Sheree J. Wilson

Description: Episode: "Final Judgement" (1.3)

On the last 15 minutes, a crook capture judge Stone (Sheree) and handcuffed her, arm on the front. He carry her OTS to a truck, beat the driver and try to escape using the truck, carrying her as a hostage. Fortunately the hero rescue her after an accident. No gag. She was wearing a blue suite.


Okay, counted 14 previous entries with just "Renegade", so have no idea why poster added "(1992)"?

Perhaps may post on Discussion how the Date in TV Series was meant for multiple titles. Might sort it for future?
______________

Record number: 8946

Title: Thunder in Paradise (1994)
Medium: TV Movie
Actress: Carol Alt

Description: In the movie that became the pilot for the TV series, In the last 45 minutes of the movie, Hulk Hogan's daughter and Carol Alt are kidnapped and held on the bad guys' boat, wrists tied behind. When Hulkster in "Thunder" closes in, they throw them overboard still bound (despite their understandable protests) to divert the pursuit. The damsels are able to hold their breath long enough to be rescued.


Description sound exact to this one.

Record number: 340

Title: Thunder in Paradise
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Carol Alt

Description: Episode: "Sealed With A Kismet" Part 1 & 2 (1.6 & 1.7)?

In two episodes she gets tied behind the back, in both episodes she ends up on a boat and going for a swim with her hands tied behind her back.


Perhaps the solution be to remind the fellas every once in awhile over on Discussion to alert us to this?
___________

Re: Record number: 8945
No idea why? posted the Episode Title in the Title Field
Previous B.L. Stryker ep title was in the Description.

Figure will just have to carry on as are and try to catch them as they show
____________

Re: #8934, #8939, #8940, #8941, #8942, #8943
Did adjusting your tool sort these?
If still a problem? Let me know.
______________

Record number: 8955

Title: Sri Andalas
Medium: Movie
Actress: Musmi Azian

Description: Tied up behind the back at post and black gagged
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Record number: 8956

Title: Sri Andalas
Medium: Movie
Actress: Azizah

Description: Tied up behind the back and black cloth gagged


Bet these two need to be merged?
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 14:00:36 2003
Re: Soap Operas Episodes
Brian R wrote:

> The episode information for Soaps is pretty bad, people
> aren't using any kind of consistent style.

Thinking about it, would just running through and sorting them all like TV Series with "Unknown Episode" make it better for your tool?

Only possible solution can think of at the moment?
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 14:52:45 2003
Thunder in Paradise
> 8946
Title: Thunder in Paradise (1994)
Medium: TV Movie
Actress: Carol Alt
Description: In the movie that became the pilot for the TV series, In the last 45 minutes of the movie, Hulk Hogan's daughter and Carol Alt are kidnapped and held on the bad guys' boat, wrists tied behind. When Hulkster in "Thunder" closes in, they throw them overboard still bound (despite their understandable protests) to divert the pursuit. The damsels are able to hold their breath long enough to be rescued.

> Description sound exact to this one.
340
Title: Thunder in Paradise
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Carol Alt
Description: Episode: "Sealed With A Kismet" Part 1 & 2 (1.6 & 1.7)?
In two episodes she gets tied behind the back, in both episodes she ends up on a boat and going for a swim with her hands tied behind her back.
--------------------
No, these should be separate entries. #8946 was the movie/pilot, took place on a yacht-sized boat, and included both Carol Alt & and Hogan's daughter.

#340 was a later 2-part episode, took place on a 4-passenger sized motorboat, and Alt was the only DiD.

What other plot devices could "Thunder"'s writers have come up with for two ex-Navy Seals, given one with Hulk Hogan's acting skills?
Kinky-napper
Tuesday August 05 16:53:51 2003
Re: Thunder in Paradise
Kinky-napper wrote:

> > No, these should be separate entries. #8946 was the
> movie/pilot, took place on a yacht-sized boat, and
> included both Carol Alt & and Hogan's daughter.

Okay great,
so I just have to look up who Hogan's daughter is and this one done.

> #340 was a later 2-part episode, took place on a
> 4-passenger sized motorboat, and Alt was the only DiD.

Do you recall anything else about the ep to help me ID it, as that question mark must have been what buggered Brian's tool? Just want to check, thanx
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 17:13:24 2003
Re: Brian's Observations
"Generally don't have notes in episode line."

Okay, here's another of the recent ones:

Record number: 8933

Title: Freitag Nacht News
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Ruth Moschner

Description: German comedy series.
In a segment called "Agentin Doppel D" (Agent Double D, an allusion to Moschner's bra size) the heroine is tied to a chair in a black leather outfit. A rather short scene, but the damsel is hot.

No gag. Guy alert.

_______

Did a search and this the only entry for the series-similar.
Figure we might be looking at someone unfamiliar with DB, so's can see this being an ongoing thing. As this a very recent one

Only suggestions could offer at the moment,
perhaps I could take a crack at starting up a page that would have more detailed posting instructions, and you could link it to your entry page or something?
Have some examples, etc.

Other than that?
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 17:37:35 2003
Re: Brian's Post- This One Okay
Spellbinder
"7"
Spellbinder (1995)
"24"
"25"
"26"

"A title note, two different titles for same show."


Okay, this one me. Sorted now, as you'll find out when you check your mailbox in a few days. ;)

Basically here was the problem,
other than the Spellbinder movie, there's two English Spellbinder series: Spellbinder (1995)
Spellbinder: Land of the Dragon Lord


Right now here, two different channels are airing both these series with same French title Maitres Des Sortileges, Les

Plan was to tape scan till caught the scene, and see which plot it belonged to.....which now have.

This really the only one where had a hassle like this. After I correct it, don't see a problem in future.
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 18:20:29 2003
Thunder in Paradise
> > #8946 was the movie/pilot, took place on a yacht-sized boat, and included both Carol Alt & and Hogan's daughter.
>
> Okay great,so I just have to look up who Hogan's daughter is and this one done.
>
> Do you recall anything else about the ep to help me ID it, as that question mark must have been what buggered Brian's tool?
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1) According to IMDB.com, Robin Weisman payed "Jessica Whitaker Spencer" in the pilot movie only.

2) Check out the review of the pilot movie on IMDB.com by "Swatchdog" ("Unintentionally hilarious"). Not only very apt, but it also describes some of the movie's elements (but just mentions a "ridiculous kidnapping").
Kinky-napper
Tuesday August 05 18:26:56 2003
[#8955] & [#8956]- Ref Post
Record number: 8955

Title: Sri Andalas
Medium: Movie
Actress: Musmi Azian

Description: Tied up behind the back at post and black gagged
____________

Record number: 8956

Title: Sri Andalas
Medium: Movie
Actress: Azizah
Description: Tied up behind the back and black cloth gagged


[#8956] is about to get a game soon, but going to save here as like the match up with film description:

Sri Andalas
(Black & White) Language : Malay Directed by S. Kadarisman

Ahmad Mahmud, Sarimah, Aziz Jaafar, Noor Azizah, Salleh Kamil, Malik Sutan Muda, S. Kadarisman, Ed Osmera
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 19:03:46 2003
Re: Thunder in Paradise
Kinky-napper wrote:

> 1) According to IMDB.com, Robin Weisman payed
> "Jessica Whitaker Spencer"

Got it, thanx
figure Brian owes you an "Atta Boy" for all of your assistance recent.

> IMDB.com by
> "Swatchdog" ("Unintentionally
> hilarious").

Snarking on the Hulk huh?
Years back had the pleasure of attending one of his "events", involving Canucks of course, whom tried to cheat to defeat him. <G>
He prevailed, most entertaining. Can imagine anything the fella involved with would be humourous.
Jay L
kdnpr@yahoo.com
Tuesday August 05 20:36:37 2003
Re: Soap Operas Episodes
Jay L wrote:

> Soap entries are a bugger to sort, so if you have a plan?

No, I don't have a plan, I'm really not sure how
important episode information is for soaps.

I'm just pointing out that right now the tool isn't
picking up many of these. If you're ok with having
the information as is and left in the Description,
then I am too. If you want it to be Officially in
the episode part of the New Database then somehthing
will need to be done.

Any that cause a false trigger I will deal with though.

Brian R
Tuesday August 05 20:55:16 2003
Re: Soap Operas Episodes
Jay L wrote:


> Thinking about it, would just running through and sorting
> them all like TV Series with "Unknown Episode"
> make it better for your tool?


Those examples I gave don't even trigger the tool, the
format doesn't match at all. The looks for either

Episode: XXXXX
Episode unknown

I can adjust to look for:

Description: EpisodeXXXXXXXXX

Then trim out any leading not alphanumerics. In fact I'll
whip that up this evening and show you.


Brian R
Tuesday August 05 21:00:57 2003
Re: Brian's Observations
Jay L wrote:

> Only suggestions could offer at the moment,
> perhaps I could take a crack at starting up a page that
> would have more detailed posting instructions, and you
> could link it to your entry page or something?
> Have some examples, etc.


Yeah, we need that. I started doing that at one point
but lost momentum. Examples are good, I'd go ahead and
put them right on the entry page perhaps.

I'll look at adding an Episode entry box. It won't be
"official" in that all it will do is stick the info
in the Description, but may help regularize things.

Brian R
Tuesday August 05 21:03:27 2003
Re: Thunder in Paradise
Jay L wrote:


> figure Brian owes you an "Atta Boy" for all of
> your assistance recent.


There ain't enough attaboys in the world for all the
hard work people have poured into the Database.

It amazes and humbles me.

Brian R
Tuesday August 05 21:08:09 2003
Re: Brian's Observations
Jay L wrote:

> Record number: 8933
> Title: Freitag Nacht News
> Medium: TV Series
> Actress: Ruth Moschner
> Description: German comedy series.
> In a segment called "Agentin Doppel D"
>

This got me thinking about what I'd done in a number of toon entries. The scene occurred within a *segment* of an episode ... there might be two or three within the full program.

I had gone with:

"Description: Segment:"

I wasn't sure if this might not cause a problem ... so I've just searched on "segment" in the Description field and changed "Segment" to "Episode", then made it clear in the text that what's labeled an ep is actually just a segment of an ep.

It was only a handful of entries, so it was no big deal ... but was it wasted energy, or of some benefit?
Biff
Tuesday August 05 23:21:18 2003
Re: Brian's Observations
Biff wrote:
> It was only a handful of entries, so it was no big deal
> ... but was it wasted energy, or of some benefit?

However you want to do it. As you saw, the tool handled
it fine.



Brian R

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