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| Friday July 21 00:21:23 2006 Re: From Discussion |
| Anubis wrote:
> And the claims of the "good old boys" club is a > joke. Its nothing more than some bitter, jealous excuses > to blame us because they dont want to do any of the work, > pay costs, or make the contacts it takes to get the > extensive collections we have built That sort of built up with the Database when Brian wanted it to a different standard than Discussion Page. They can always bring up a regular poster that got away with/given breaks? on Discussion. ;) Which this sounds of same perception. Ongoing Figure this will end in your case once realise can come over here and can request any of the scenes. |
| Jay L |
| Friday July 21 02:48:40 2006 MJ/Youtube Discussion |
| How did these 2 ladies aquire Major John's site & clip library? It's not really theirs is it? Did Brian (aka Major John) leave it to them in his will or something?
So they're upset that someone is taking content that they took from someone else? Kinda assenine argument if you ask me. As far as Youtube goes, let them eat the bandwidth for hosting clips. It's a bitch to download these things. Most people are watching them, not downloading. I see nothing wrong with that. Raffish is using it to his advantage. I can't post clips to blogspot, so I'm using Youtube for that and linking to them in a blog post. I don't raid the free sites every week and post all their clips up on Youtube. There may be something I downloaded years ago but don't remember where it came from, or the site may not be around anymore. If you have a problem with it tell me and I'll take it down. Simple as that. I think the "club" is the wrong approach. Maybe it works for them. I won't be asking to sign up however. Sorry MJ. My 2cents & a dollar bill. |
| BiG MT |
| http://bigmtdid.blogspot.com |
| Friday July 21 09:53:14 2006 Re: MJ/Youtube Discussion |
| BiG MT wrote:
> How did these 2 ladies aquire Major John's site & > clip library? It's not really theirs is it? Did Brian > (aka Major John) leave it to them in his will or > something? > So they're upset that someone is taking content that they > took from someone else? So, okay, here are my thoughts. (My qualifications are that I have a lot of experience in the area of intellectual property rights and copyright...but I'm not, repeat not, an attorney.) As far as MJ's site, there are three issues that seem important: 1. There are costs invovled (time, money, etc.) in putting up high quality mainstream clips that the webmaster him/herself has prepared from a broadcast or DVD. While it would be naive for the site owner to believe that nobody will download those clips (hah!), it is a legitimate expectation that other site owners won't poach--at least, not immediately. It's not a legal issue, but one that points to whether or not there is a community that supports and respects each other. My feeling is that these aspirations toward a community are important--but it would also be naive of us to expect that everyone shares that ethos. So, we shouldn't make a big deal of poaching when we encounter it. Goes with the territory. And, as many have already noted, it's not as if those mainstream clips belonged to anyone but the big entertainment conglomerates that produced them in the first place. 2. On the other hand, sites like MJ's do also have proprietary clips and videos that the site owner actually owns the rights to. And poaching these clips over to another broadcasting site (like Youtube) is not only unethical but illegal; it's copyright violation. 3. There is no "personal use" clause in U.S. copyright law or in the Berne Convention on Copyright. However, there are "fair use" clauses, and most legal precedent includes some limited "personal" use of intellectual property under "fair use". But relying on precedent can be risky, as many users have discovered when they were hauled into court and a jury decided against them. The bottom line here is that in copyright disputes that reach the courts, it is the jury who decides (and juries are not predictable). And even if the case doesn't make it to court, the costs of defending oneself (attorney's fees, time wasted, emotional stress) are enormous. So all those guys on Youtube, as well as all the well-known ones (you know who you are, and we love you) ought not to be posting mainstream clips without at least an awareness of the risks re intellectual property issues. My sense is that this is why many sites have a "if you want us to take something down simply let us know" statement. But Youtube participants may not be so sophisticated. I have a suggestion to Stephanie and Mai Li: why not change your site to one along the lines of Raffish's new approach: charge people a fee for access to the entire archive, but provide a rotating free display that, over the long run, explores what's in the archive. And, for the original and proprietary material that MJ used to share for free, go ahead and charge for it now, to support your efforts. That's likely to be seen by the community as understandable, legitimate, and good business. Anyway, sorry for such a long post. But when the real world intrudes.... |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Friday July 21 11:19:16 2006 Re: MJ/Youtube Discussion |
| "sites like MJ's do also have proprietary clips and videos that the site owner actually owns the rights to. And poaching these clips over to another broadcasting site (like Youtube)" Figure you hit it Danny, went over to MajorJohns.com and saw this person listed: Thomas10AG and found 2 Majorjohns.com Commercial videos Tomas10AG posted: This one from College Girls And this one from College Girls Perhaps a note about getting them from Majorjohns site with a link might have stopped this from getting out of hand? Don't really like the idea of leaving some boys out of seeing the clips, but can understand why Commercial guys like Todd3D and others irritated with Youtube site at moment |
| Jay L |
| Friday July 21 12:20:48 2006 Re: MJ/Youtube Discussion |
| BiG MT wrote:
> How did these 2 ladies aquire Major John's site & > clip library? It's not really theirs is it? I think you're going off limits here, male. |
| Lisa |
| Friday July 21 16:22:23 2006 Re: MJ/Youtube Discussion |
| Lisa wrote:
> BiG MT wrote: > > > How did these 2 ladies aquire Major John's site > & > > clip library? It's not really theirs is it? > > I think you're going off limits here, male. No, he's asking a very legitimate question and one with possible legal ramifications. If Major John die so suddenly, did he have opportunity to assign his rights in his original material to them? Maybe he had set something up, and the rights ceded to them one or both on his death. It could be possible, as I believe MJ did on occasion refer to Mai Li as his girlfriend. On the other hand, they may be overstepping their rights to use the materials. Whatever the case, they still have no legal ownership of the mainstream clips. Think before serving up more of your traditional male bashing blatherings. You are well remembered from the rubbish you used to post on AG. |
| LV |
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