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| Wednesday December 20 01:27:37 2006 Re: Former Cheerleaders |
| MadFish wrote:
> > Can anyone think of > > other former professional cheerleaders from the NFL > or > > NBA who have been bound and gagged in mainstream > media? Charisma Carpenter used to cheer for the San Diego Chargers. And she still does in my dreams. Fan of a team without cheerleaders. |
| Wednesday December 20 02:54:31 2006 Sabrina Sato mummification |
| Perhaps something for our mummification fans... Cute TV host Sabrina Sato packed up and taped up on Brazilian reality show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8XA0xqIF18 |
| John B |
| Wednesday December 20 05:15:55 2006 Re: Former Cheerleaders |
| MadFish wrote:
> Hadji wrote: > > Can anyone think of > > other former professional cheerleaders from the NFL > or > > NBA who have been bound and gagged in mainstream > media? > > Terri Hatcher is a former 49ers cheerleader. How could I have forgotten her? She has been bound and gagged a record eleven times in her acting career. I suspect there are quite a few more former professional cheerleaders among the ranks of actresses who have been bound and gagged; most actresses don't publicize their cheerleading background very much. |
| Hadji |
| Wednesday December 20 05:38:26 2006 Sad news from the worlds of audiobooks and animation |
| The AP is reporting that Kathryn Fleming, whom it described as being an "audiobook reader and actress" who under the pseudonym of Anna Fields read and recorded more than 200 novels, among them Lisa Gardner's "The Survivors Club" which I described here a while back, lost her life last week in the Seattle windstorm. She was 41. Ironically, it seems she drowned while trying to save the recording equipment from her basement studio as it was filling with rainwater from the storm.
Fleming did a wonderful job of giving voice to Gardner's vision, particularly in the bondage scenes. Listening for yourself the next time you get a chance would be a nice remembrance. And I'm surprised no one else here has yet mentioned the passing of master animator Joseph Barbera on Monday at 95. Not only were he and partner Bill Hanna perhaps mainly responsible for saving the cartoon short from being shoved onto the ash heap of history by the advent of television, they pioneered the way towards today's animated sitcoms. Go over to the database and throw the word "animated" into the actress field and see how many scenes from Hanna-Barbera creations pop up. Then tip a glass to the memory of one of America's great artistic partnerships. |
| Fettershackle |
| Wednesday December 20 11:15:29 2006 Shoes |
| Thanks Steph
It doesn't get better than this |
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| Ben |
| Wednesday December 20 11:22:50 2006 Re: Sad news from the worlds of audiobooks and animation |
| Fettershackle wrote:
> mainly responsible for saving the cartoon short from > being shoved onto the ash heap of history by the advent > of television, they pioneered the way towards today's > animated sitcoms. Sure, Fetterhackle, worth tipping a glass.... Done! However...although I'm not nearly an animation expert or scholar, even if I'd agree that Hanna/Barbera saved cartoons from "the ash heap of history" (and it's certainly debatable), I'm not sure their influence was all that positive, artistically speaking. When you compare H/B's approach to what had come before, especially early Disney and Merry Melodies (Daffy, Bugs, et.al), H/B looks minimalist, cheap, reductive, and choppy. Maybe not as choppy as Jay Ward's work ("Crusader Rabbit" and "Rocky and Bullwinkle," which were however redeemed by their more sophisticated and subversive content), but still Hanna/Barbera comes off as crude. Clever, yes, but still crude. Move the mouth a lot while keeping the body stiff; then, move the body to a new position; then, keep it rigid again while the mouth moves. So absolutely unlife-like! It's taken the animation field almost 50 years to recover from that influence, and not very easily For example, the work in "South Park," "Simpsons," and current kids' stuff like "Edd,Ed, and Eddie," shows the same lifeless approach to animation. Even anime was influenced by the static H/B stuff. It's only in the most recent developments that realism and smooth analogue resolution has crept back in. This becomes a really interesting issue with respect to this Forum's focal point. Bondage scenarios are risky to depict even with film and broadcast, because by their nature they are more static than other situations: the person bound typically doesn't move a lot. You can't usually see her lips move behind the gag, either. Animated displays of bondage heighten this risk: for example, voice-overs for gagged characters seem disembodied (as if the DiD were a ventriloquist's dummy--which in some sense she is). The scene is easily exploited by more static animation techniques. Exploited to the point of artistic travesty. Result: all the wonderful, small-scale activity that we have come to love in cinema and TV bondage (the movement of the eyes above the gag, the rise and fall of the DiD's breasts, the ineffectual movements of arms, wrists, fingers, ankles, etc., the effect of breathing as it pushes against the gag's material)--all that stuff is pretty much wiped out in H/B-type animation. What anime brought back to us over the last 15-20 years was its attempt to return to those small-scale gestures, but in a different(and very Japanese) way, by developing a collection of animated "signals" or symbols that made us think about how they stood for real-life analogues. Perhaps we could credit the rich iconography and semiotics of gesture in Kabuki or Bun-Raku theater for their influence on Japanese animators, which eventually spread to other parts of the world. (That's a discussion for another time, though.) But even so, lots of recent anime bondage is still very static (go look at any such website for examples; god, they do get boring). Only the most recent anime artists are showing signs of spending more time, money, and effort to make their animation more life-like. These days, if you want to see really wonderful animated bondage, I believe you have to dive into the world of computer graphics: video and computer games. They may be violent, disgusting, racist, misogynistic, etc. But those guys sure know how to bind and gag a female! It might be interesting to ask all those 2o-somethings employed by Sony, Nintendo, etc., whether they know who Hanna and Barbera are. Or, even if they don't, whether they are familiar with and influenced by the H/B approach. Anyway, just my two cents. Dannysuling |
| Dannysuling |
| dannysuling@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday December 20 12:07:12 2006 Posting Alerts for 2007 |
| Mr. Engineer,
When will we be able to post VCR Alerts for 2007? |
| MadFish |
| Wednesday December 20 13:59:48 2006 Re: Sabrina Sato mummification |
| John B wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8XA0xqIF18 My brother keeps interrupting the clip. I hate my brother. |
| Le Bastard's anal little brother |
| Wednesday December 20 14:32:32 2006 Sabrina Sato |
| For some reason when i try the link i get a "scheduled downtime" page, so i cant few the clip, is Sabtina gagged in the scene? |
| Dogg |
| Wednesday December 20 14:33:40 2006 Re: ex-cheerleaders |
| Hadji wrote:
> > I think Janet Gunn ("Dark Justice" > "Silk > > Stalkings") was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. > > I don't think she was; I recall reading her biography, > and it stated that she had been a Texas high school > cheerleader, but no mention was made of any professional > cheerleading experience. The IMDB does say Janet Gunn was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. She was also a flight attendant for 6 years with Southwest Airlines. Can you imagine Janet Gunn asking you "is there anything I can get for you, sir?" "Yes, some rope and duct tape." |
| http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348186/bio |
| Wednesday December 20 14:36:57 2006 Days Of Our Lives |
| The scene with Mimi continued today. She was tied back to back with a guy and then later they maneuvered themselves so that they were then tied face to face. They ended up freeing themselves. They were not gagged. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday December 20 14:40:08 2006 Passions |
| There was a very brief flashback of Emily Harper's bondage scene early in today's episode. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday December 20 15:36:52 2006 Re: Days Of Our Lives |
| Tapemaster wrote:
> The scene with Mimi continued today. She was tied back to > back with a guy and then later they maneuvered themselves > so that they were then tied face to face. They ended up > freeing themselves. They were not gagged. Too bad on that one. Mimi is one my list for daytime damsels to be bound and gagged. Think she has a great face for a tape-gag. Rats. |
| Wednesday December 20 15:56:10 2006 Re: Days Of Our Lives |
| > Too bad on that one. Mimi is one my list for daytime
> damsels to be bound and gagged. Think she has a great > face for a tape-gag. Rats. Who knows, they're not out of the cellar yet. Either way, this one seems pretty much a lost cause, which sucks, 'cause I agree, this girl is haaaaaaawt. |
| X |
| Wednesday December 20 16:42:51 2006 Re: Sad news from the worlds of audiobooks and animation |
| Dannysuling wrote:
> When you compare H/B's approach to what had come before, > especially early Disney and Merry Melodies (Daffy, Bugs, > et.al), H/B looks minimalist, cheap, reductive, and > choppy. What I've been waiting for is computer hardware and software to get to the point where us mere mortals can use it. The hardware is pretty much here and to see a demo of that go to Best Buy and look at the Gears Of War program they have on display. I'm really impressed by the detail and smoothness of the animation. The software isn't there yet, but it's getting there. If you want to see what is possible, then go to YouTube and do a search for "Final Fantasy." |
| hermango |
| hermango@hotmail.com |
| Wednesday December 20 16:59:56 2006 Re: Former Cheerleaders |
| Lisa Stahl, who had a couple of full-treatment scenes in TV shows like "Pacific Blue" and "Renegade", is a former Miami Dolphis cheerleader.
Kiana Tom, who was tied to a tree but not gagged in "Universal Soldier: The Return" is a former Oakland Raiders cheerleader. |
| MadFish |
| Wednesday December 20 17:04:03 2006 Interesting photo |
| I have in my possesion, a very interesting photo that I would like to share with all in this group. The photo is very much on topic for this site although it is non bondage. My question is ...how do I transfer it from my files in my computer to Brians page? I did download it from a website but, it would be sooo convuluted to try and direct everyone to it. I would like to make it simple and just post the pic directly here. Does anyone have the knowledge on how I could accomplish this task? Believe me, I can almost ensure that this particalat photo will create a bit of conversation here. By the way.. the photo in question is rated P.G. Everyone has their clothes on).
Thanks in advance Alex. |
| Alex |
| Wednesday December 20 17:50:22 2006 Re: Interesting photo |
| Alex wrote:
> My question is ...how do I transfer it from my files in my computer to Brians page? |
| http://www.brianspage.com/faq.html#faq_3.6 |
| Wednesday December 20 18:01:48 2006 Superman Serial |
| to Big J. You are right. I have all 15 cahpters and she is also tied and gagged after the hand gag scene. |
| Wednesday December 20 18:03:48 2006 Speedo Ad with Handcuffs |
| This goes back a while...but,
Does anyone remember a Speedo Swimsuit ad that featured a very attractive female swimmer in a suit and in handcuffs? I remember the photos showed her from the front, side and from behind, so there were two good views of the handcuffs. I'd be amazed if some collector still had this. It is from the very early 1980s. |
| derek |
| Wednesday December 20 19:08:31 2006 Jennifer Carpenter |
| Hey for anyone who wants to see her scene from Dexters season finale go to JenniferCarpenter.org.
They have pics and clips from the episode. Shes bound and gagged with duct tape, its good stuff. Just check the gallery and download section and its all from Dexter episode 12. The videos even cover just the bondage so you can just downlaod relevant clips. The pics are crystal clear too. So check it out and enjoy ;) |
| Wednesday December 20 19:16:23 2006 Re: Interesting photo |
| > Alex wrote:
> > > My question is ...how do I transfer it from my > files in my computer to Brians page? Email it to me and if it is on-topic and/or appropriate for this forum, I will host it for you. My email is below. |
| Wavy |
| verywavy@yahoo.com |
| http://www.slumberville.com |
| Wednesday December 20 19:42:35 2006 Re: Sad news from the worlds of audiobooks and animation |
| > When you compare H/B's approach to what had come before, especially early Disney and Merry Melodies (Daffy, Bugs, et.al), H/B looks minimalist, cheap, reductive, and choppy.
> > > > It's taken the animation field almost 50 years to recover from that influence, and not very easily > > > > Result: all the wonderful, small-scale activity that we have come to love in cinema and TV bondage (the movement of the eyes above the gag, the rise and fall of the DiD's breasts, the ineffectual movements of arms, wrists, fingers, ankles, etc., the effect of breathing as it pushes against the gag's material) -- all that stuff is pretty much wiped out in H/B-type animation. ---- One of my biggest kvetch's against H-B influenced animation was the shortcuts it took in realistic movement, in order to simplify the animators' work. E.g., Scooby-Doo and The Cosby Kids made a nice effort to create characters who were of different heights and had different kinds of "silly" walks -- yet they seemingly all walked in step and their strides were exactly the same length! Whereas in a live-action multiple B&g's DiDs scene, one of the "Bonuses" for me is if there is asymmetric actions and expresssions. E.g., in "Terror Among Us", one stewardess is valiant and literally puts her body on the line in her attempt to effectuate a rescue. The others are either weepy or seem resigned to their fates. "Murder in Mind" also has two very different DiD-types, who work together as they realize their fates if they don't succeed, yet take two different courses of action. I guess that's why animated bondage has never reached my "radar". Well, maybe if Genndy Tartakovsky's "Samurai Jack" had DiD scenes, but otherwise the animation industry has been rather disappointing to us old-timers since the Chuck Jones era. |
| Kinky-napper |
| Wednesday December 20 20:04:06 2006 Re: Jennifer Carpenter |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> > They have pics and clips from the episode. Shes bound and > gagged with duct tape, its good stuff. Just check the > gallery and download section and its all from Dexter > episode 12. The videos even cover just the bondage so > you can just downlaod relevant clips. The pics are > crystal clear too. So check it out and enjoy ;) Thanks! It didn't get discussed much, but I thought this was a terrific scene. I would have like to see the tape over her mouth a little tighter, but the bindings looked very secure. I didn't realize she'd worken up in the last scene where she's lying on the table until I saw the stills. |
| MadFish |
| Wednesday December 20 20:12:14 2006 Re: Former Cheerleaders |
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> MadFish wrote: > > > > > > Can anyone think of > > > other former professional cheerleaders from the > NFL > > or > > > NBA who have been bound and gagged in > mainstream > > media? > > > Charisma Carpenter used to cheer for the San Diego > Chargers. And she still does in my dreams. > > Fan of a team without cheerleaders. Man, now I'm beginning to wonder...is my beloved Charisma the only real life cheerleader turn cheerleader damsel in a scene? In the BTVS epidsode "Some Assembly Required", Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter) gets kidnapped from a football game she was cheerleading. The scene is not full treatment but sure was great seeing a blindfolded Charisma being strapped down to a gurney wearing that classic cheerleading outfit. |
| Paco The Bandit |
| Wednesday December 20 20:13:33 2006 Re: Superman Serial |
| Would that be the black and white serial from the newspaper?
wonder woman was captured and tied up in one of the serials. |
| doug5871 |
| Wednesday December 20 20:20:16 2006 Re: ex-cheerleaders |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> The IMDB does say Janet Gunn was a Dallas Cowboys > cheerleader. She was also a flight attendant for 6 years > with Southwest Airlines. > > Can you imagine Janet Gunn asking you "is there > anything I can get for you, sir?" "Yes, some > rope and duct tape." "Make that STRONG rope so I can bind your slender wrists & ankles, EXTRA STICKY duct tape so I can seal your pretty mouth, and string so I can tie your lovely big toes together." "You want to do what? Why do you want to do that? Do I have to? I don't want to be tied up. I don't want my lips sealed with sticky tape. I won't be able to talk and I LOVE to talk. You're not going to tickle the soles of my bare feet while I am helpless are you?" "Yes, you DO have to do it. The customer is always right. And yes, I AM going to tickle the soles of your bare feet while you are helpless." "But why?" "Because I like it that way. Now go, and remember: EXTRA STICKY duct tape." (After she comes back) "Here are your things sir." "Good. Now come here." (After she is bound and gagged) "There. Now try to do a cheer." "MMMMMMMMMPH!" (translation: "You know quite well that I can't move a finger or say a word!") "Now to tickle your bare feet. And you can't do or say anything about it." "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPH!" (translation: "If only I could get my big toes loose, but I can't!") I just thought I would add to that fantasy. |
| Tapemaster |
| km574@yahoo.com |
| Wednesday December 20 20:57:01 2006 Re: Sad news from the worlds of audiobooks and animation |
| Kinky-napper wrote:
> > When you compare H/B's approach to what had come > before, especially early Disney and Merry Melodies > (Daffy, Bugs, et.al), H/B looks minimalist, cheap, > reductive, and choppy. > > > > > > It's taken the animation field almost 50 years to > recover from that influence, and not very easily > > > > > > Result: all the wonderful, small-scale activity that > we have come to love in cinema and TV bondage (the > movement of the eyes above the gag, the rise and fall of > the DiD's breasts, the ineffectual movements of arms, > wrists, fingers, ankles, etc., the effect of breathing as > it pushes against the gag's material) -- all that stuff > is pretty much wiped out in H/B-type animation. > ---- > One of my biggest kvetch's against H-B influenced > animation was the shortcuts it took in realistic > movement, in order to simplify the animators' work. Are we talking about the same Hanna and Barbera who used to win Oscars for Tom and Jerry? No shortcuts there, in fact rather the opposite. Great care was taken to obtain smooth, convincing motion and deep perspective. Remember that jiggling train of bowling balls playing Newton's Cradle with Tom's head in "Bowling Alley Cat", and the champagne bottle spewing fizz at a constant velocity before accelerating exponentially down the Thanksgiving table, just like a real rocket? That is sheer brilliant class, not shoddy shortcuts. I think the later limited animation, of which Friz Freleng was another pioneer, was forced on animators by limited funding and the urgent demands of television. Sad and retrogressive, but an inevitable product of its time. |
| Mad Dan |
| Wednesday December 20 21:13:25 2006 Re: Interesting photo |
| (unsigned poster) wrote:
> Alex wrote: > > > My question is ...how do I transfer it from my > files in my computer to Brians page? > http://www.brianspage.com/faq.html#faq_3.6 I do not believe that Brian allows that. He allows you to put links to pictures that are onther servers. If you send the image to me I will stick it on an area at eNotz where it can be linked to. Just eMail it to me |
| Jenni |
| sjJenni@enotz.com |
| http://www.enotz.com/sjJenni |
| Wednesday December 20 22:50:14 2006 VANISHED |
| Nothing of interest in the episodes shown on Fox's site, to answer a query from a poster yesterday. |
| hallbird |
| Wednesday December 20 23:24:15 2006 interesting photo |
| Whats all the secrect just say what the photo is. |
| Dogg |
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